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Reviewer: ashon13 (Signed) · Date: 08/01/09 12:26 AM · On: Our dark spots are pretty dark

Okay, so I had three major reactions to this chapter...First *clutches chest* You scared me to death! I was just reading on, minding my own business, when my innocent little eyes happened to stray down a couple of sentences, and I see in italics "Dean, Sams dead"....my heart felt like it dropped! And second, *pumps air*..So glad Carl got what he deserved, the little prick!..and third *smiles sadly*..I really felt sorry for little Katie..she had just gotten to know Sam, and then he ups and leaves..poor girl..anyway, very nice story, I liked it a lot! :D

Author's Response:

Thanks for reviewing again, really very kind of you.  This is one of my fave stories which I have written.  Glad you liked it too.

Liz x

 

 

Reviewer: ashon13 (Signed) · Date: 07/01/09 11:55 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

Grrrrrrr *glares at Carl*

Reviewer: ashon13 (Signed) · Date: 07/01/09 11:19 PM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

Oooooooh *wags finger at Carl* That wasnt a very smart thing to do..Dean's not going to be very happyyyyyy. :P

Reviewer: Smudge93 (Signed) · Date: 23/06/08 05:40 PM · On: Our dark spots are pretty dark

You're right, Dean doesn't disappoint and neither does this story.

Really liked this one, thanks for letting us share.

Mary x



Author's Response: Thank you.  Very glad you enjoyed it.  Liz x

Reviewer: Bounce (Signed) · Date: 23/06/08 04:57 PM · On: Our dark spots are pretty dark

There's a reason for tradition, or so the saying goes.  Yes, and there is a reason for dramatic formulas.  It is becasue, when they work, they can give the reader an insight into characters that might otherwise be lost in more unconventional storylines.

Altered State is, to say no more, a formula story.  There is almost no turn in the plot that a reader cannot see coming a mile down the road. However, in this case, that is not a criticism.  It is a read well worth the time, and it shows that even the Winchesters had a normal life - well, sort of - and that training to be a Hunter is not necessarily a defense against human recklesness, immaturity and cruelty.

Given what the Winchesters do for a living, any story that grounds them in the reality of normal life should be considered a plus.  Part of what makes the boys engaging is that they are ordinary men with an extraordinary mission.  However, that quality of ordinariness often gets lost in the bizzare tales on Supernatural.  Stories like Altered State mitigate against that tendency.

However, if the story of Altered State works as formula, its Achille's Heel is charcterization.  Not, oddly enough, of the supporting characters, who are reasonably well drawn for supporting players.  Rather, it is Sam and Dean who do not shine, leaving the reader with a vague sense that something is a more familiar than it ought to be.

Part of the difficulty with writing "Weechester/Teenchester" stories is that the author is always stuck on the horns of a dilemma.  He has to develop his Sam and Dean in such a way that they are recognizable, but yet has to keep in mind that they are not yet the men they will become and therefore have to be different. 

This is also important for engaging the reader. Sam and Dean have to be subtly different, otherwise the reader will quickly realize that he is reading about a grown Sam and a grown Dean with, in effect, a "teenager" label slapped on their foreheads. 

That is where Aleterd State falls a bit flat.  Sam is everything we expect him to be.  Shy, intellectual, studious and torn between the life he leads and the life he wants to lead.  Even the story's revelation about Sam is not without antecedent (or is it precedent?)  We have seen Sam get drunk while "on the job," (see "Playthings,") so the twist in the story is less striking than might be supposed.

Similarly, Dean is the Dean we already know.  Cavalier, protective, hot tempered. It is all 100% Dean Winchester. 

This is best illustrated in the way Dean deals with Sam's tormentor.  Dean executes a clever plan that would have been perfectly consistent with the disciplined forethought of a mature 30 year old with years of experience under his belt.  However, it is less plausible coming from an angry 20 year old.  Twenty year olds simply are not that disciplined and controlled - especially less so in the case of Dean, whose impulsive nature as an adult is already a recurring theme of the show. 

Therein lay the problem.  While teenaged Winchesters will be more similar to their future selves than would, say for example, pre-school Winchesters, there should still be differences.  Those differences are harder to bring out, but they require illustration both for purposes of dramatic development and because otherwise we are not reading a "Teenchester" story, but simply another Winchester story.

This is, in so many words, the problem with Altered State.  The readers simply should not know these charcaters as well as we do. Because we do, the formula aspect of the plot serves no purpose.  We don't see anything different, but rather we see Sam and Dean, only in this case, the monsters are teen agers, so to speak. 

Happily, there is one tremendous exception to this failing in Altered State.  The portrayal of John Winchester is nothing short of extraordinary.  

It would have been so easy to portray John Winchester as the warrior automaton that so much fan fiction makes him out to be.  Instead, what the author gives us is a John Winchester who is a tough, driven, but loving and compasionate father.  Where the author could have made John a drill sargeant, she instead makes him a three dimensional dad reacting in the way any loving father would. 

This the author brings out expertly in small scenes and vignettes.  (Nothing beats in the whole story the moment when John kisses his unconscious son's forehead.  There is more charcaterization in that single moment than in almost whole of the rest of the story.)  Kudos to the author who shows that her portrayal of Sam and Dean is not the product of a lack of skill or talent.

To sum it up, John Winchester is "into" this story, while Sam and Dean seem to be a bit just going through the motions.  Still, just for the portrayal of John Winchester alone, the author elevated what might have been an acceptable story into a genuinely good one.        

In her response to one of her other reviewers, the author admits that she is more comfortable with Mr. Kripke's characters than with developing her own.  One suspects that this is the root of the issue.

Because the author is more comfortable with Sam and Dean, she is less challenegd by them and therefore less inclined to push the dramatic envelope.  (John is a Kripke character, but not much developed in the show and therefore the author takes more liberties.)  Consequently, we get what we already know, but nothing more.   

Still, one should not be too hard on the author.  It is hard with two such iconic characters to tweak them, and adding in the age factor of the story, even some of the best Hollywood writers would have had a tough time.  (If you want to see professionals mess up characterization, see three of the four post-writer's strike episodes of Supernatural.)  So the author has nothing to be ashamed of.

To the general reader, Altered State is a workmanlike take on the life of Sam and Dean Winchester the way they were, so to speak, and a useful reminder that there is life outside of Hunting.  That we are seeing Sam and Dean pretty much as the charcaters we already know is a weakness to be sure. But hey, there are worse things than seeing the boys in action, and it has made Mr. Kripke a lot of money after all, right?   

 



Author's Response:

*is gobsmacked*.  Thank you for your constructive and extremely well thought-out feedback.  I always ask for story feedback and you’ve not disappointed. 

Firstly, in the cold light of day, I totally agree with your point about my characterisation of teen Sam and Dean.  With Sam in particular, I feel especially keen now to attempt a story which focuses more on his character as a youngster and fleshes him out beyond the studious, shy teen we can all easily imagine him to have been.   The problem with Altered State is that it was originally intended as a one-shot which (as I found out) was never going to happen.  But I kept it as a short story – and this only allows for so much character study focus or else the plot never moves forward ...anyway that’s an excuse I guess.

However, I disagree about Dean’s actions in relation to Carl.  I could imagine a young Dean doing something so restrained as beating the shit out of Carl and then having the cops pick him up – I don’t see that as a particularly clever plan (mainly because I thought of it).  With Dean’s life experience and no doubt, with all the hunting, he’ll have been faced with seeing Sam injured before.  I like to believe Dean would have a sense of maturity at twenty-one beyond that of people twice his age especially considering he’ll have faced more than horrors than most battle weary soldiers.  Therefore it doesn’t strike me as odd that he would think out his actions and exact revenge in the way that he does in this story.   It might have been interesting and ultimately more satisfying to see him totally lose it.  But I think that would have been doing his character a disservice, Dean’s smarter than that and again, out on a hunt if Sam were injured by something supernatural, I could see Dean using his head, experience and instincts to ensure the creature (or whatever) is exterminated. 

The Teenchester setting served in this story to show that Sam was at an age where Stanford was becoming a distinct possibility for him and therefore, in a fashion, gave him motive for taking pills – which is a bloody hard thing to sell at any rate.  Anyway as I’ve said, I totally take your point about the Teenchester characterisation and that is something I shall take away with me and hopefully learn from.  I certainly agree that because I am undeniably more comfortable with Kripke’s take on Sam and Dean that I didn’t attempt to make them my own – whereas I did feel a strange sense of license to ‘play with’ John’s character more.  That you have so astutely focused on that has been a real eye opener to me because I would never have recognised it in my own writing.  A very valuable lesson learned.  

I only started writing fanfic, of any kind, in December 2007 and am working hard on improving as a writer.  I certainly ‘miss’ more than I ‘hit’ and yet feel like I am learning.  Your comments are refreshing, (and as I’ve already said) valuable and eye-opening so thank you for the time and effort you have taken.   Liz x

Reviewer: lillelouis (Signed) · Date: 23/06/08 02:06 PM · On: Our dark spots are pretty dark

I just love the way the characters are described, but sad that Dean's anger is a little palyed down (because of how short the Carl Booker sequence was) -  Don't know if you agree about his anger, or if it's me with a hidden "hulk-complex", but Dean angry is never bad :D

Great job... If i could give you 10 stars i would... :D :D



Author's Response:

Thanks so much and thank you especially for being honest. 

The Carl Booker scene was a hard one to write because folks reading really seemed to want to see Carl get his just desserts...and sometimes, I like to leave things up to the reader's imagination...it's not always the right decision. 

I did a story not so long ago, where Bobby talks to Sam in a motel room and I don't explain what Bobby says - I just imply that Bobby makes Sam feel better - and now I kinda wish I'd given the Bobby/Sam moment more work...

With this story, it's was hard to decide how to play it but I think I'm happy with the way it turned out -because in my head Dean totally went all green eyed hulk on Carl.

Anyway, thank you again so much for reading, your feedback is awesome and much appreciated.  Liz x 

 

Reviewer: lillelouis (Signed) · Date: 23/06/08 02:03 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

Amazing writing and I gotta praise you a little for good you are at describing and creating characters. You are very good at makeing them believeble, you're also good at making them heroes or bad guys. Great gift and you use it well you Skywalker ...

:D



Author's Response:

Awww thanks, I'm always nervous about introducing new characters and to be honest, I usually prefer to stick to the ones created by Kripke.  But I have a soft spot for Joe and it was fun to write a SOB character like Carl.  Liz x

Reviewer: lillelouis (Signed) · Date: 23/06/08 02:01 PM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

"the one Sam isn’t normally allowed to wear, touch or breathe on."

Harsh, but i can totally see Dean listing the threats as he hold up his brand new leather jacke for his little brother to drool over :D Great chapter....



Author's Response: Thank you. I kinda like that about Dean...that he'll say things to Sam which to everyone else sounds harsh but Sam knows what really lies beneath the harsh words.  Like in 'Nightmare' where Dean is worried about Sam puking on his car upholstery but  really he's concerned about his brother...Dean's awesome like that.  Liz x

Reviewer: darkhunter (Signed) · Date: 23/06/08 10:47 AM · On: Our dark spots are pretty dark

Thank you for a brilliant story, i have loved reading it.

Author's Response: Thank you so much, I've loved having you along for the ride.  Liz x

Reviewer: darkhunter (Signed) · Date: 22/06/08 12:39 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

Two brilliant chapters.

What a cliffy.can't wait for part three.



Author's Response: Thanks hun.  Really hope Part Three doesn't disappoint.  Liz x

Reviewer: ReccaF (Signed) · Date: 20/06/08 09:59 AM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

OK... this Carl needs to be Winchesterized and pronto.

Sammy 's in deep crap right now, a town away, no one he recognizes, the drugs still playing havoc with this brain-AWESOME writing!!!!!!!

Dean and John should now be moving out to get Sam back - I really want to see Dean kick the crap out of Carl-a few times!! ok ...I'm better now.

you have left us twisting and anxious with this cliffe-PLEASE UPDATE SOON!!!!!!!!

excellent job of storytelling / writing- you have captured the Winchester way and made it your own!!!!!!!!!

OUTSTANDING!!!!!!

MORE PLEASE

BRAVO!!!!!!



Author's Response:

Oooh Wincheterized - I like that!

Sorry about the evil cliffy, thanks so much for reading.  It's awesome to get such lovely reviews.  Liz x 

 

Reviewer: kirra (Signed) · Date: 19/06/08 09:39 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

This is one major cliffie you have goin on right here. This story has been bothering me since i read it and i was SOOO excited to see you had posted and then to be let down AGAIN by another cliffhanger!!! AHH THE HORROR!!! LOL but really this is a GREAT story and i really enjoy it. Keep upi the good work.

Author's Response: I know!  I'm sorry!  Please don't put Nair in my shampoo lol.  Tried not to leaving you hanging too long.  Really hope you'll like Part Three.  Thanks heaps for reading, Liz x

Reviewer: Cookie6 (Signed) · Date: 19/06/08 06:12 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

Liz!!! I'm on the edge of my seat, chewing my fingernails to the quick!!! Those goons are in for a world of trouble when Dean gets his hands on them, and I will be cheering him on!

Love your descriptions of all three Winchesters, especially Dean's intermal musings, you have him spot on. You did a great job weaving words around Sam's 'trip' - his confusion, horrors and hallucinations were very well written to put us right in the grip of this horrible experience with him.

Great work, you have built the anticiaption until we feel like we're gonna explode. Glad to hear you're frantically typing...



Author's Response: Thank you so much.  Sorry to have kept you waiting - and with an evil cliffy too but I've forced myself to stop fiddling with Part Three and it's posted now.  Liz x

Reviewer: Cuddles13 (Signed) · Date: 19/06/08 03:44 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

I hope that Dean and John can get to Sam before it gets out of hand.

Author's Response: Protective John and Dean rock.  Liz x

Reviewer: Cuddles13 (Signed) · Date: 19/06/08 03:28 PM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

I hope Sam is alright and that nothing bad has happened to him.

Author's Response: Awww I'm a real sucker for adding Sam whumpage to my stories - some strange addiction I have lol.  Thanks for reading, Liz x

Reviewer: Smudge93 (Signed) · Date: 19/06/08 03:21 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

God girl what are you trying to do to me!

Seriously, I love evil cliffies!!

Can I feel the wrath of Dean waiting in the wings??

More....soon please!



Author's Response: Oooh I do love angry Dean too.  He's such fun to write.  Thanks!  Liz x

Reviewer: kika (Signed) · Date: 19/06/08 02:47 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

wow, I can't wait to read more!!

kika 



Author's Response: Thank you - Chapter 3 is up now.  Liz x

Reviewer: Maureen Nesbitt (Signed) · Date: 19/06/08 02:33 PM · On: As long as I'm around, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

Great chapter, Keep writing Please!!

Author's Response: So happy you liked it.  Liz x

Reviewer: CricketBee (Signed) · Date: 18/06/08 04:38 PM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

Wowzers, ok, you've got me hooked. can't wait to see what happens next.... *hint, hint*

--cricket 



Author's Response: That's great news.  I promise not to keep you in suspense long.  Liz x

Reviewer: ReccaF (Signed) · Date: 18/06/08 11:04 AM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

OK.... this has gotten my attention.

I want Dean to flatten this Carl Booker-spiking drinks never ends well and this seems like a PCP trip from the "old days" OUTSTANDING JOB

I like Sam's friend Joe- a true geek and a good kid.

your vivid verbage and character development only make this story better-AWESOME writing!!!

MORE PLEASE!!!!!!!!

 BRAVO!!!!!



Author's Response: : ) Thanks so much.  Glad you're enjoyed it so far.  Liz x

Reviewer: mymuseandi (Signed) · Date: 18/06/08 09:02 AM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

I hope to god Joe would tell Dean about that Carl so that he could pummel his face for spiking Sam's drink!!!!

Great start to the story... can't wait to read more!!! 



Author's Response: That's what so great about Dean, it's like waiting for a geiser to erupt.  Thanks for reading, Liz x

Reviewer: cheri (Signed) · Date: 18/06/08 08:42 AM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

Please, please, please.........more!



Author's Response:

: ) Promise I'll post more asap.

Liz x

Reviewer: Smudge93 (Signed) · Date: 18/06/08 06:51 AM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

Nice start, interested to see where its gonna go.

I love the 'widdle Sammy' line, made me lol. I could hear and see Dean as I read it.

Need more please.....



Author's Response: Thanks.  I'm a real Sam girl but Dean is a pleasure to write.  Liz x

Reviewer: Vanessa (Signed) · Date: 18/06/08 06:43 AM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

Quite an interesting opening chapter.  Poor Sam.  Can't wait to read the next chapter!

Author's Response:

Thanks for reading and reviewing.  I'll have the next chapter up very soon.  Liz x

Reviewer: Maureen Nesbitt (Signed) · Date: 18/06/08 06:26 AM · On: Demons I get but people are crazy.

Enjoyed this first chapter and eagerly awaiting the next one.

Author's Response: Thanks, very glad that you did.  Liz x

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